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  Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

  by Simon in

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  sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

  "oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

  you're fired!"..

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  @DJS let me try to say what I meant differently.... *thinking...

  Okay so I was saying kind of I think what you're saying here:

  Within a generation or so this will be a moot point. Gay marriage and equal access will be the norm, and people in the future will look back at the haters in 2015 and compare them to the KKK and other 20th Century hate mongers. And that's not an opinion.
  

  The difference being, in my opinion, this law and any like it that come, along with the attitudes that support it, will slow down the inevitable outcome you spell out here. It's an outcome I agree is inevitable, I think though that this sort of thing happening (this law and these attitudes that support it) actively push back the date that inevitability is realized. What if by the time we, as a people, are finally at that point of enlightenment it's too late?

  im not sure, but re-reading your posts I think I'm mostly agreeing with your point. I just don't know what libertarians or x-tians are.
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  Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

  "oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

  you're fired!"..

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  never a jw7 minutes ago

  JD,

  Sorry, I must have dyslexia. It should have been DJS

  Oh okay. I was so confused! It's all good my friend. You guys are talking about some stuff I don't know the first thing about. But it sounds interesting.
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  Atheism

  by Jonathan Drake in

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  recent events and book reads (one suggested by cofty i believe- thank you) have lead me to the only logical and acceptable conclusion:.

  there is no god.. simple logical reasoning: matter can neither me created or destroyed.

  so the amount of mass in the universe is constant.

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  @heaven

  i didnt know know that was a thing!
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  One Scripture To Trash the Org: 1st John 4:18

  by freemindfade in

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  1st john 4:18 .

  18 there is no fear in love,+ but perfect love casts* fear out, because fear restrains us.

  indeed, the one who is fearful has not been made perfect in love.+.

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  I've got one for you.

  hebrews 7:23, 24

  Furthermore, many had to become priests in succession because death prevented them from continuing as such, but because he continues alive forever, his priesthood has no successors.
  

  Here the mosaic law is being compared to Jesus covenant. The book is claiming that the old law only had priests because the original mediator (Moses) died, and then a line of priests because each priest after would also die. It then says that Jesus is alive forever and will have no such priests.

  So then how can the Governing Body possibly be Jesus representative?
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  Ex-Christians being angry

  by Jonathan Drake in

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  i know i'm angry.

  i was curious if others are too.

  i feel completely justified in my anger as well.

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  Meditation has helped. Not the weird, transcendantal, metaphysical kind of meditation. Just finding a quiet place, being alone with my thoughts and focusing on nothing but enjoying each breath even for as little as 15 minutes a day has helped ease the anger and resentment.
  

  I will try this, if it'll help me not be so pissed then thats good. I don't like having such a short fuse when it used to be much much longer.
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  Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

  "oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

  you're fired!"..

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  never a jw2 minutes ago

  JD,

  You made quite a great deal of assumptions about me, just because I believe in the greatest amount freedom possible for organized society. You confirmed it, the Christian in you still alive and well.

  Wait, what did I do? Have you even posted in this thread I've only caught the last few posts...
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  Likes and dislikes

  by Jonathan Drake in

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  i'm not sure how everyone else feels, but i'd kind of like to be able to see how many likes or dislikes my own post gets.

  i think it's be good, and a nice way to gauge your own reception to a discussion and maybe know when to back off or leave on a high note, lol.

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  Ohhh Lol. I've just always assumed you couldn't see your own! Tbh I never checked!

  I feel dumb!
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  Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

  "oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

  you're fired!"..

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  But as nice as all of that sounds, we have one planet, and we are better as a species if we are tolerant of others
  

  This sums up my feelings on this subject. I haven't read every page of this yet so if you're actually for the law and not against it it's not my intention to misrepresent your words. I just like this sentence a lot.

  The moment we let intolerance and discrimination become legal, and I mean that on both sides be it religious against gay rights or homosexuals against religious, we become our own worst enemy. In that decision we've essentially opened the door to segregation, and announced open season on whichever group any particular majority chooses to hate. It could be any race of your choosing hating any race of theirs, any religion, any one group verses any group for any strong belief that the other is immoral or wrong.

  and any one of us on this planet could be on that losing side just for being ourselves. This law is dangerous.
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  Likes and dislikes

  by Jonathan Drake in

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  2. suggestions

  i'm not sure how everyone else feels, but i'd kind of like to be able to see how many likes or dislikes my own post gets.

  i think it's be good, and a nice way to gauge your own reception to a discussion and maybe know when to back off or leave on a high note, lol.

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  I'm not sure how everyone else feels, but I'd kind of like to be able to see how many likes or dislikes my own post gets. I think it's be good, and a nice way to gauge your own reception to a discussion and maybe know when to back off or leave on a high note, lol.
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  Ex-Christians being angry

  by Jonathan Drake in

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  i know i'm angry.

  i was curious if others are too.

  i feel completely justified in my anger as well.

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  Or when I read of some abuse case or some JW needlessly dying because of blood policy.
  

  And this is happening more and more often. Each time I want to just smack my parents and all the people I've callled friends and say, "READ THIS!? SEE THIS!? THIS is what this religion truly is.

  sometimes a very tactfully do that, and then I get even more angry because, "I know it's wrong and Jehovah will take care of it." Just passing the buck and continuing to donate, idiots.